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Wow - he wants to debate McCain, but not (1.33 / 15)

HRC.  So Hillary scares him?

And now "he's on top of things"...for the first time since the campaign started.

A little late, don't 'ya think?


by CoyoteCreek on Fri May 16, 2008 at 12:40:56 PM EST

So bitter, so sad. (2.00 / 4)

She's lost. If you're a Democrat, get over it and start supporting the party's nominee.


should we go outside? / should we break some bread? / are you'nterested?
by Firewall on Fri May 16, 2008 at 12:41:56 PM EST
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Re: So bitter, so sad. (1.00 / 2)

NEVER


Wisdom Is The Reward For Listening Over A Lifetime
by gunner on Fri May 16, 2008 at 02:51:16 PM EST
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Re: So bitter, so sad. (2.00 / 7)

then go be a Republican; we don't need the division that you are bringing to the party.

I love HRC and would have been thrilled to vote for her in the GE but it is not going to happen. So get on board or get out of the way.


Hey guys? You know we won right? You can stop the doooooomsaying now.
by JDF on Fri May 16, 2008 at 03:12:52 PM EST
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Here's some more insight (2.00 / 1)

Then go here:

www.freerepublic.com

Or how about here:

www.redstate.org

This is another nice one for those who won't support Obama:

www.littlegreenfootballs.com

And this blogger is really perceptive about Obama:

www.michellemalkin.com

And for some high-minded analysis, try:

www.hughhewitt.com

And then there's the godfather of anti-Obamaism:

www.rushlimbaugh.com

Go and check them out! You can get all the ammunition you need in your rejection of Barack Obama.


by elrod on Fri May 16, 2008 at 08:45:15 PM EST
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Re: Wow - he wants to debate McCain, but not (2.00 / 10)

What would be the point of Obama ripping Hillary? Democrats are on the same team.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Fri May 16, 2008 at 12:42:35 PM EST
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Oh no we're not! (1.00 / 16)

And you will realize that in November if BO is the Dem nominee.


by CoyoteCreek on Fri May 16, 2008 at 12:54:48 PM EST
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Re: Oh no we're not! (none / 0)

We may not be on the same team, but I hope we'll share an adversary when November rolls around.


by jontabb on Fri May 16, 2008 at 01:09:40 PM EST
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Re: Oh no we're not! (2.00 / 9)

Then get out of our party; we don't need the divisiveness and we don't need the gigantic attitude problem.

There are plenty of reasons to love HRC and I share many of them with you; however, to think that McCain is the better choice you would have to be an idiot or a republican; so which is it?


Hey guys? You know we won right? You can stop the doooooomsaying now.
by JDF on Fri May 16, 2008 at 03:14:11 PM EST
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Get out if you hate the Democratic Party so much. (none / 0)

 But gracefully.


by xdem on Fri May 16, 2008 at 03:59:55 PM EST
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are you going to work for Dems (none / 0)

to win seats in Congress?


Rrrinnggg... Time to change the government.
by Carl Nyberg on Fri May 16, 2008 at 04:26:49 PM EST
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Depends on who they supported in (none / 0)

the primary.


by CoyoteCreek on Fri May 16, 2008 at 06:47:28 PM EST
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Re: Depends on who they supported in (none / 0)

Fair weather Democrats are probably going to get banned from this site pretty soon.


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Fri May 16, 2008 at 06:49:14 PM EST
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Re: Depends on who they supported in (2.00 / 3)

If a Democrat wasn't a HRC partisan, you won't help them beat Republicans for Congress?


Rrrinnggg... Time to change the government.
by Carl Nyberg on Fri May 16, 2008 at 06:54:27 PM EST
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No, if a downticket Dem was a BO (1.00 / 1)

partisan I won't support them.

They could have just stayed neutral and let the voters have their say.


by CoyoteCreek on Fri May 16, 2008 at 08:46:07 PM EST
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Re: No, if a downticket Dem was a BO (none / 0)

The voters did have their say. That's why they're called "voters".

And you didn't say you'd only support those who were neutral.  Are you going to go against all those who endorsed HRC, too?  If not, then the "don't give your opinion because others with busy lives might value your expert opinion" argument (which is nonsense to begin with) is just a smokescreen.


by kmj2l on Sat May 17, 2008 at 02:12:37 AM EST
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Re: Oh no we're not! (none / 0)

Subject: Troll

Status: Outed


by elrod on Fri May 16, 2008 at 08:45:54 PM EST
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Re: Wow - he wants to debate McCain, but not (2.00 / 1)

How many times can we go over the slight differences in health care again?


But in the unlikely story that is America, there has never been anything false about hope.
by thezzyzx on Fri May 16, 2008 at 12:44:07 PM EST
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15,000,000 times - that the number of (2.00 / 1)

Americans that Obama's plan won't cover.

Shame on him.


by CoyoteCreek on Fri May 16, 2008 at 12:55:29 PM EST
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Re: 15,000,000 times - that the number of (2.00 / 3)

0 - the number of americans McCain will cover.


by AlyoshaPo on Fri May 16, 2008 at 01:04:00 PM EST
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Re: 15,000,000 times - that the number of (2.00 / 5)

ZERO is the number of Americans that Hillary got covered when she blew the best chance for extending Healthcare to more Americans in decades during the Clinton administration. Just because it's a campaign promise doesn't mean it will become a reality.

Considering how she ran her campaign she has not become anymore competent at handling major national initiatives then she was when she screwed up the Clinton Health care initiative.


by hankg on Fri May 16, 2008 at 01:16:16 PM EST
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Ever hear of JIM COOPER? (none / 0)

He's BO's CHIEF ADVISER on health care and a person who brags that he SINGLEHANDEDLY killed the Clinton plans in the '90's.

Now, let's talk agian about who will do the most for health care for this nation....Clinton - again - or Barack "Jim Cooper" Obama?

And you wonder why we think he lies.  You are judged by the company you keep!


by CoyoteCreek on Fri May 16, 2008 at 01:54:52 PM EST
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Re: Ever hear of JIM COOPER? (2.00 / 3)

Yes I have heard of Jim Cooper and Hillary lost not only Jim Cooper who had a plan that Hillary arrogantly tossed without consideration but a good part of the Democratic congress. Doesn't say much for Hillary's leadership skills.


by hankg on Fri May 16, 2008 at 02:31:27 PM EST
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The same question, Ever hear of JIM COOPER? (2.00 / 4)

Oh yeah,  he was the one who went to the whitehouse to discuss his healthcare initiative with Hillary,  after she tried to bypass it with her own.

Why would she do that?  Either because his healthcare initiative would not offer complete universal healthcare until 1998, or because those with large egos wanted the credit for authoring such an important bill.

Either way, he warned her that she wouldn't be able to obtain the support for her bill in congress but his bill might be able to pass.  It had already garnered a lot of bi-partisan support, having achieved 58 co-sponsors in the house (26 republican 32 democrats)

According to Cooper, at this point she proceeded to tell him that she and her husband would pass their healthcare reform and if he pressed his bill they would crush him politically. They tried, setting up a war room to oppose Cooper's '94 senate bid.   He lost, perhaps largely on his own, but not entirely without the influence of the Clintons.

I find it really odd that you would #1 bring it up #2 try to find a way to make her the victim in the situation.


by Tenafly Viper on Fri May 16, 2008 at 04:41:25 PM EST
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And he's not a chief adviser,he's a top surrogate. (none / 0)


by Tenafly Viper on Fri May 16, 2008 at 04:48:46 PM EST
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Re: Wow - he wants to debate McCain, but not (2.00 / 6)

Maybe you missed it... Obama and Hillary debated 20 times.

Also, I'd say his delegate lead, his fundraising lead, and his strategy lead show he was on top of things all along.


by mattw on Fri May 16, 2008 at 12:44:23 PM EST
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Re: Wow - he wants to debate McCain, but not (2.00 / 0)

Whatever works! He beat her fair and sqaure with less agressive tactics. Just goes to show you.


Welcome to a landslide WITH white working class, latinos, women and holding on sweeties!!!
by spacemanspiff on Fri May 16, 2008 at 12:53:26 PM EST
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How can you diss Obama's campaigning? (2.00 / 3)

Are you saying Obama hasn't been "on top of things" during the Dem primary?

What's it say about HRC that she got beat by a first-term U.S. Senator who wasn't "on top of things" during the primary?

I see no credible way for HRC supporters to attack Obama on his campaigning acumen without implicitly slamming HRC more.


Rrrinnggg... Time to change the government.
by Carl Nyberg on Fri May 16, 2008 at 01:01:44 PM EST
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Clinton should have never hired Penn (none / 0)

Well, I'm an Obama supporter, but I honestly think Clinton might have pulled this thing off if she had not put her faith in the idiot Mark Penn.  She is a hell of a campaigner, but she never really hit her stride until the last few primaries when it was too late.  Penn tried to run their campaign like it was a general election bid... got completely blindsided by the Obama team and their better grasp of the primary system.


by protothad on Fri May 16, 2008 at 10:39:19 PM EST
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Re: Wow - he wants to debate McCain, but not (none / 0)

A little late? Only if he wasn't the presumptive nominee...


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Fri May 16, 2008 at 01:06:42 PM EST
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I know, what a shame... (2.00 / 3)

we've never seen an Obama/Hillary debate.


by Tenafly Viper on Fri May 16, 2008 at 04:10:58 PM EST
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